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1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Dutch Mosin » Mon May 20, 2013 2:14 pm

Bought myself a 1927 Tula Dragoon a couple of weeks ago in Germany.
It didn't look very well when I found it, but after a bit of cleaning it looked very good.
You can tell by just looking at it that it has been used over the years.
I like that about a rifle.

It is my first M91 model without any foreign markings.
No SA, German import or proof marks.
The fact that it has no German proof marks made this rifle very difficult to sell.
The gun dealer could only sell it to either another dealer or a collector.

So....now I am the proud owner of a Tula 1927 Dragoon.

Some details:

The front sight has the pre 1928 Izhevsk bow and arrow on top.
Next to that marking you can see the КАЗ marking.
Maybe in the past this front sight used to be part of a M91 Cossack rifle.
Who will tell.
Strange thing is that this same front sight has the pre 1928 Tula hammer on the back side.

The barrel is from 1927, but the tang date says 1926.

Long story short....it's a fantastic rifle and it is mine.

Some pictures.

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...all cleaned up.

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Marauder 1 » Mon May 20, 2013 2:35 pm

Congratulations Martin! What a wonderful find. Since it was purchased in Germany I wonder if it was a "bring back" from the war? It still has all the original parts that makes it a truly rare find. Again well done my friend.

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Grimstod » Mon May 20, 2013 4:20 pm

She is amazing. Really rare looking. Hold on to that one.
Was it difficult to get it back in the USA?
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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Marauder 1 » Mon May 20, 2013 7:02 pm

Ben, Martin is a user from Holland.. You should read what it takes for them to even be able to own a firearm there. SOCAMO is truly and international site..

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Dutch Mosin » Tue May 21, 2013 1:08 pm

Marauder 1 wrote:Congratulations Martin! What a wonderful find. Since it was purchased in Germany I wonder if it was a "bring back" from the war? It still has all the original parts that makes it a truly rare find. Again well done my friend.

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Thanks Mark.
I guess I will never know whether it was a bring back or one of the many German captured Mosin Nagant rifles.
All I can say is that I'm extremely happy with this find and that it is more than welcome in my collection.

@Grimstod
Thanks and I agree.
She does look amazing.
I don't think I will bring it over to the US.
I will keep this one to myself.:D

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Grimstod » Fri May 24, 2013 2:22 pm

My bad. I bet it is hard to get any guns in Holland.
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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Dutch Mosin » Sat May 25, 2013 8:08 am

Grimstod wrote:My bad. I bet it is hard to get any guns in Holland.

Well.....yes and no.
After some lunatic killed 6 innocent people in a shopping mall on April 9th 2011 using a Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 and after that killing himself using his Taurus 66 in .357 Magnum our gun law got more strict.

In a nutshell our new gun law.
1)
Become a member of a certified Dutch gun club for at least one year.
You may only use weapons owned by the gun club, but only the weapons in cal .22LR.
Another restriction that it is not allowed to use semi-automatic rifles and carbines during this year.
2)
In the 2nd year of membership you can apply for a license and buy your own first weapon.
Again in this 2nd year you may only use weapons in .22LR and no semi-automatic rifles and carbines.
3)
In the 3rd year of membership you are allowed to buy larger caliber pistols and revolvers up to 9mm.
Larger caliber rifles and carbines are allowed as long as they are not semi-automatic.
4)
In the 4th year you can buy all weapons allowed by Dutch gun law, semi-automatic included.

Maximum amount of weapons allowed on a Dutch license is 5.
Original BP weapons are free, as we say over here, meaning they can be bought without owning a license.
When you want to shoot these weapons you have to have a license.
These original BP weapons do not affect the total amount of 5 weapons.
In theory you can buy as many as you like.
Replicas are not considered original BP weapons, so these always need a license.

This is Dutch gun law in an extremely small nutshell.
I left out all the details, but I do think you all get the picture.

This may sound strange, but there are countries with an even more strict gun law.
I'm Dutch, I love my country and I can live with these gun laws.
I'm not going to move to the US or any other country just because of the more liberal gun laws.
IMHO a country is more than gun laws only.
I am however prepared to defend these laws.
Not only gun laws, but all Dutch laws.
I think we have reached a line here.
I think our gun laws are more then strict enough.
I have to add that after the shooting in the mall our gun laws got more strict, but it was the police that allowed the shooter to own fire arms.
If they had checked his file in their computer he would have never got a license.

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Marauder 1 » Sat May 25, 2013 9:44 am

It always seems that the politicians want to punish the law abiding for the sins of the evil. If he didn't have a gun he would have used something else, it's that simple. People who are hell bent to kill and create chaos will always find a way.

It's part of living in a fallen world. Martin how many years have you been a member of your club now. I hope you were unaffected by these new laws.

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Re: 1927 Tula Dragoon

Postby Dutch Mosin » Sat May 25, 2013 10:06 am

Marauder 1 wrote:It always seems that the politicians want to punish the law abiding for the sins of the evil. If he didn't have a gun he would have used something else, it's that simple. People who are hell bent to kill and create chaos will always find a way.

It's part of living in a fallen world. Martin how many years have you been a member of your club now. I hope you were unaffected by these new laws.

Mark

I agree 100% Mark.
He would have used something else.
Problem is that weapons in the form of rifles and handguns are connected to crime over here.
The Dutch are not used to weapons, so they want the government to act.
I wonder if our government would have changed the law on knives if the shooter used a potato peeler in stead of a rifle.

Personally I am not affected by these new laws.
I've been a member for over 20 years.
Next to that I've handled weapons for over 30 years in in the Royal Dutch Army.
I'm a bit concerned about the future though.
The government changed the law after making a mistake themselves.
What will happen when one of the over 60.000 Dutch gun owners makes one????????????

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