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Shooting with a bayonet

Postby r1ctor » Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:40 pm

I've heard these old rifles were sighted with the bayonets on. I forgot to bring mine to the range last time but I'm bringing it for sure next time. Does anyone have any personal experience with shooting mosin with and without the bayonet?

I've heard that it alters the grouping but i don't understand how it would... barrel harmonics?
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Re: Shooting with a bayonet

Postby elbysvcs » Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:26 pm

My 91/30 shoots the same with or without, my understanding it's only the M44 that the bayo affects. I know my T53 shoots a group that looks like a shotgun with the bayo folded back!
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Re: Shooting with a bayonet

Postby joiner » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:04 am

My m-44 seems to hold a tighter group when the bayonet is folded out. I know the rifle shoots high and to the right so I compensate by aming low and to the left. Have been able to hit baseball size targets at 50m. Good enough for me.
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Re: Shooting with a bayonet

Postby Marauder 1 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:44 am

I'm wondering if it has something to do with balance in the case of the M44 and extra weight in the case of M91/30. The extra weight on the barrel might be taming some of the barrel whip. With a carbine however that shorter barrel doesn't suffer as much from whip but the lighter weight does increase the recoil.

Just a thought, I've heard it also has something to do with barrel harmonics but I'm also unclear on that.

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Re: Shooting with a bayonet

Postby revjen45 » Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:29 am

The point where the rifle is looking is not necessarily the same as where it will shoot. When the sear breaks and the bullet starts traveling down the barrel recoil forces move the rifle back and the muzzle up, so POI is where it was aiming when the bullet left the muzzle. Having the bayonet extended puts weight in front of the muzzle, thus affecting that movement. Harmonics probably play some role in accuracy (Browning made some rifles with a weight at the muzzle that could be moved by screwing it fore and aft to achieve the harmonics that gave the best accuracy) but I would bet that weight distribution is the major factor in determining POA vs POI.
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Re: Shooting with a bayonet

Postby bearrowland » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:59 pm

elbysvcs wrote:My 91/30 shoots the same with or without, my understanding it's only the M44 that the bayo affects. I know my T53 shoots a group that looks like a shotgun with the bayo folded back!

Ditto with my 43 Izhevsk.
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